This is why you put the preprint on arxiv
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If scientists didn't have to pay obscene prices to view articles, those articles are cited more often. Who would have thought?
I personally like scihub because it's easier to get papers off of rather than going through ny library's portal for a lot of journals.
One of us.
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So making access to information free is helping scientific progress? Wow, who could have imagined that!
Careful, lest the AI haters hear that.
Free papers = free access to information
LLMs = trash
The AI haters I've seen really hate free access to information. Well, there's apparently other kinds.
Very misguided.
ikr?
In your eyes, what are these AI haters complaining about?
To be clear, here is what I mean by rent: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rent-seeking
Seems to be mainly about property owners not getting enough rent.
I'm not sure you have understood that people don't want to profit from their data, they want to avoid corporations stealing their private texts and pictures to train models they'll profit from.
Is this some weak attempt at gaslighting? If you want to make a career out of this, you really need to up your game. I mean, can you imagine some think tank going: Landlords don't want to profit from those apartments, they just want to avoid people squatting in them for free.
Your problem is that the landlord analogy just doesn't suit this situation.
Rent seeking is long-established economic jargon. It doesn't necessarily imply a landlord analogy. A landlord may not be extracting an economic rent within that definition.
The point is rent-seeking, not an analogy to landlords.
Precisely, and rent-seeking is what's not happening here, as nobody is looking to profit. People are only looking to keep their private information private.
Your gaslighting game is shit. Like Copyright lawsuits aren't half the news being cheered by AI haters. Not a single privacy lawsuit in sight. How stupid do you think people are?
Assuming you're right, it's still not rent-seeking. If I believe that AI companies should be made liable for breaking copyright, I'm not personally receiving any monetary benefit. Where's my rent?
It's about principle. It's unfair that a company can steal data and profit from it. Simple as that.
Yes, I'm sure very few AI haters will be getting any rent personally. They are supporting rent-seeking by others. I'm sure many do so out of "principle", or as it would be more commonly phrased, out of ideological dogmatism. I'm a left/liberal guy. I want a society that works for everybody.
A society that works for everybody is a fair society. Stealing intellectual property and user confidential data is not fair.
And some people will say that a fair society should give back to the King what those revolutionaries stole by creating republics everywhere. You think of your ideology as the one true definition of fairness, justice, and whatever. That's just ordinary dogmatism.
As far as I'm concerned, society should be ordered to fulfill everyone's material needs; food, shelter, health care, and such things. Otherwise, people should not be interfered with. They should be free to make the best of life. That is simply incompatible with rent-seeking.
I'm sure you'll be the first one to provide public access to your private photos and texts so everyone can check how to improve their lives with those valuable resources.
Amazing how propaganda by the rich is so successful in making people believe it's not them who are the parasites.
I draw some quiet satisfaction from feeling that I've had a positive influence on the world. I really don't understand why some are so outraged that they may have benefitted some stranger without payment.
Amazing how propaganda by the rich is so successful in making people believe itβs not them who are the parasites.
Look... You believe society should pay money to property owners. Who owns most of the property? Rich people. You have your ideology but don't treat me like an idiot.
Hi there. I'm an artist who gives away everything for free because I don't personally think it's ethical to profit from pure human emotional expression. I also don't think it's ethical for some faceless corporation to profit from my art. I will ABSOLUTELY fight against my art being used to train AI models, but I have ABSOLUTELY no desire to profit. In fact, I have the opposite desire.
So tell me exactly what is rent-seeking?
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I donβt know if itβs just my field or if Iβm searching wrong, but I get almost nothing when I look for papers about German grammar and language instruction. Is this mostly for more mainstream/hard science papers?
Idk if itll help but have you tried annas archive? It mirrors multiple science piracy sites.
Edit:do you mean pedagogical materials or research? Cause I don't think you'll be lucky if it's the former.
I have tried it, but also not had any luck. I am looking for research, but itβs still a really narrow field, tbh. Even in Germany, I think there are only a handful of DaF/aZ postgrad programs.
So yeah it's probably your field! Sorry about that. Fwiw I don't think the problem is that it isn't 'hard science', I find it easy to find philosophical works (German, English and French language ones). It's probably just too niche.
I can't speak for your field or language but someone has to upload it. Content in German and about grammar sounds very specific. Maybe there's a lack of interest on scihub. Ask around in your circle where they share/get their articles
Guess it is time to fill in that niche, π π
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Noted. Will upload my future papers on SciHub myself. /j. Or am I? Vsauce music plays Did you know vegetables are a social construct?
Thanks Dropout!
A sandwich is also a social construct. But not every social construct is also a sandwich.
Dunno what Sci-Hub is, but most researchers are happy to send you a copy of their paper on request - and this is completely legal. Their email address is usually on the abstract.
I have never ever gotten a response from a researcher :(
That's too bad - I've seen posts from scientists, or people who claim to be, saying what I said.
Probably depends on if theyre still at the institution the research was done.
As the first author of a fair few papers during grad school, I don't have that email address anymore. Β―\_(γ)_/Β― Also not in academia.
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I am a scientist and you are right. If I get a message asking for my work, I will send it. It will also make me happy that someone is interested. It happens regularly, usually via researchgate.
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Why wouldn't they be? It's not like they're getting royalties from these journals...
Not owning it can get them in trouble for sharing
It depends on the publishing agreement
Isn't it odd that researchers who should be pros at caring about and finding the most correct metrics for every topic are obsessed with a proxy for quality that is just about the most disjoint possible? It should be embarrassing.
Unfortunately, it's commonly not researchers that create academic circles, it is publishers and other entities with vested interest in making us publish more garbage.
Scientific world is corrupt as hell.
She knows not to travel. The organizer.
But tbh - even zlibrary creators got away from Argentina, they should make a movie about it one day.
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